{"id":1135,"date":"2007-08-10T08:49:53","date_gmt":"2007-08-10T15:49:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.davidbordwell.net\/blog\/?p=1135"},"modified":"2010-07-22T22:26:05","modified_gmt":"2010-07-23T03:26:05","slug":"gandalf-speaks-more-thoughts-on-the-hobbit-project","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.davidbordwell.net\/blog\/2007\/08\/10\/gandalf-speaks-more-thoughts-on-the-hobbit-project\/","title":{"rendered":"Gandalf speaks!  More thoughts-and news-on the Hobbit project"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"image1137\" src=\"https:\/\/www.davidbordwell.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jackson-in-toast2.jpg\" alt=\"jackson-in-toast2.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Local hero:  Peter Jackson portrayed in toast, Wellington Airport, July 2004<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Kristin here\u2014<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">While the new &#8220;Frodo Franchise&#8221; website is under construction, I offer here a new set of speculations on the <em>Hobbit<\/em> project.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">In my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.davidbordwell.net\/blog\/?p=1062\" target=\"_blank\">July 20 entry,<\/a> I cited a statement by Ian McKellen concerning possible progress in the ongoing legal dispute between Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema.  The dispute is the reason given by the studio\u2019s president, Bob Shaye, for Jackson\u2019s not being asked to direct the film adaptation of <em>The Hobbit<\/em>.  There Sir Ian said, \u201cI detect that there is movement and it\u2019s movement in the right direction.\u201d  That interview went online July 19.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The Royal Shakespeare Company\u2019s tour then moved on to Australia, and on July 26 an Australian Broadcasting Corporation television interview with McKellen brought up the question again.  Here the response is somewhat more specific:<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">KERRY O\u2019BRIEN:  What\u2019s happening with <em>The Hobbit<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">SIR IAN MCKELLEN:  I talked to one of the Hollywood producers who is in a position to know, who said there seemed to be a little bit of movement and he is a circumspect man so I took that to mean something quite positive and I\u2019ll be seeing Peter Jackson in a couple of weeks when we\u2019re taking <em>The Seagull<\/em> to Wellington and Auckland.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">KERRY O\u2019BRIEN:  It would be tragic if it happened without Peter Jackson?<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">SIR IAN MCKELLEN:  It couldn\u2019t happen really, could it?  In the way that it ought.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">McKellen is currently playing King Lear and, in repertoire, Sorin in <em>The Seagull<\/em>.  The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mckellen.com\/stage\/lear07\/index.htm\" target=\"_blank\">schedule<\/a> began at Stratford on 24 March and by November will have visited Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Singapore, Melbourne, Wellington, Auckland, New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and London.  Currently he is in Wellington, where the engagement that he mentions, including both <em>King Lear<\/em> and <em>The Seagull,<\/em> runs August 11 to 13.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">This new interview seems to add a little to the one in Singapore that I quoted previously. I don\u2019t want to read too much into McKellen\u2019s statement.  Still, I can infer (as usual with the proviso that I have no inside information) a couple of things.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">In Singapore, McKellen referred to \u201cdetecting\u201d movement in the <em>Hobbit<\/em> front, but he doesn\u2019t hint as to his source.  Here he says he heard this from a producer.  Perhaps such a communication would involve said producer sounding him out about the circumstances under which he would be willing to reprise his role as Gandalf.  McKellen has made it clear on his website and in interviews, including this new one, that he feels Jackson should direct and has strongly implied that he would not play the wizard under a different director.   He has not, however, made a firm public statement to that effect.  The fact that in this context he mentions meeting with Jackson, however, suggests that he may have some reason to believe that they could work together on the film.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">(Subsequent interviews with McKellen have been published in Australia and New Zealand, but none adds any new information.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I had the pleasure of interviewing McKellen in early 2005 as part of my research on <em>The Frodo Franchise<\/em>.  He made it perfectly clear that he, like virtually all the cast and crew members that worked on <em>The Lord of the Rings,<\/em> is intensely loyal to Jackson.  I would be very surprised to hear that he had agreed to play Gandalf if someone other than Jackson were at the helm.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Second, these two interviews, one done in Singapore and one in Melbourne, were posted on the internet a week apart.  There is no hint that anyone asked McKellen not to say anything more about the <em>Hobbit<\/em> negotiations.  Given the intense interest in this subject, even brief, very general statements like the ones I have quoted can give rise to considerable speculation and discussion\u2014in which I am obviously participating.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">As anyone who has read interviews with McKellen knows, he is a very outspoken man.  Still, I can\u2019t believe that he would go on making statements about the situation with the <em>Hobbit<\/em> film if asked not to by the parties involved.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Now I\u2019d like to turn to an issue unrelated to the McKellen interview.  One subject that comes up in fan discussions of the <em>Hobbit<\/em> project on the internet is that of design.  Fans point out that if Weta Ltd. does not create the props, costumes, sets, special effects (both digital and physical) and make-up, as they did for <em>The Lord of the Rings,<\/em> the look of Middle-earth might be noticeably different.  Other fans seem to believe that Jackson\u2019s companies own the props, costumes, and sets.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Technically I believe that New Line owns virtually all of the objects made for <em>Rings<\/em>.  Some were given as gifts to the filmmakers, including the full-size Bag End interior which Jackson now has at his country home as a guest house.  Some of the actors received their swords, McKellen asked for and got the lizard-shaped door-handles from the Orthanc set, and so on.  That\u2019s not a major factor, and the existing objects, which are presumably still in storage in New Zealand, could be re-used for a film of <em>The Hobbit<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Nevertheless, design and execution would remain a big concern.  If Weta\u2019s two halves, Weta Digital and Weta Workshop, refused to work on <em>The Hobbit<\/em> without Jackson directing, New Line and co-producer MGM would have to look elsewhere.  (Jackson owns one third of Weta, and the other two-thirds are owned by his long-time friends and colleagues Richard Taylor and Jamie Selkirk.)  There are a few CGI facilities in the world that could deliver digital effects on the level of those in <em>Rings<\/em>\u2014though it\u2019s hard to imagine a Gollum without Andy Serkis\u2019 acting, particularly his voice.  But I doubt that there is any company or cluster of companies that could render the physical components of Middle-earth as well as Weta Workshop did for <em>Rings<\/em>.  Tolkien illustrators Alan Lee and John Howe helped give the film\u2019s mise en scene its unified look, and they, too, might not wish to work for a different director.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">This is all speculation, and time might prove me to have been completely wrong.  Perhaps New Line could successfully assemble a fully new team\u2014director, cast, crew and group of support companies\u2014and start virtually from scratch.  Perhaps there is not the solidarity behind Jackson that I have posited here, and some people who worked on <em>Rings <\/em>might be willing to return for <em>The Hobbit <\/em>under such circumstances.  Perhaps fan opposition would gradually erode once the film went into production.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Unlikely as it may seem now, there was a storm of outrage when Jackson was first announced as directing <em>Rings<\/em>.  Most people had never heard of him.  People who knew his comic splatter films were convinced that he would trash Tolkien\u2019s novel.  Perhaps a new director could win fans over, as Jackson did so effectively, and make them change their opinions.  I have to believe, though, that any new director would face a much harder uphill battle to capture the fans\u2019 hearts and minds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">A <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/cgi-bin\/poll_SSI.cgi?keyword=hobbitpj_20061218\" target=\"_blank\">recent poll<\/a> on TheOneRing.net asked whether fans would be likely to go to a film directed by anyone but Jackson.  The group saying that they were \u201cvery likely\u201d and \u201clikely\u201d <em>not<\/em> to go was 76.6 %.  Those who were \u201cvery likely\u201d and \u201clikely\u201d to go totaled 12.9%.  Those who said they would wait until they found out who the director would be comprised 10.3%.  Many among that 76.6% group would probably grit their teeth and go to the film.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Perhaps the result would be a hit and we shall look back upon the current period as a tempest in a teapot.  If so, perhaps the lawsuit will eventually come to court and we\u2019ll get some indications as to the real cost of this dispute.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">By the way, Keith Stern, McKellen\u2019s webmaster, has kindly put <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Frodo-Franchise-Rings-Modern-Hollywood\/dp\/0520247744\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1\/102-0090553-7896136?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1176219130&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Frodo Franchise<\/em><\/a> on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mckellen.com\/new06.htm\" target=\"_blank\">news page of McKellen.com<\/a>, right next to the announcement of Sir Ian\u2019s nomination for an Emmy for his hilarious guest turn on the British series <em>Extras<\/em>.  I seldom get a chance to think of myself as cool, but that is definitely cool!<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">IMPORTANT NEWS:  Just after posting this entry, I discovered (via the excellent site <a href=\"http:\/\/derhobbit-film.de\/indexengl.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">The Hobbit Movie<\/a>) a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/entertainment\/news\/movies\/la-et-goldstein10aug10,0,7800308.story?coll=la-home-entertainment\" target=\"_blank\">Los Angeles Times story<\/a> on New Line Cinema.  There studio officials finally announce that they are indeed negotiating with Peter Jackson concerning the <em>Hobbit<\/em> film project:<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">&#8220;Eager to move ahead with &#8216;The Hobbit,&#8217; New Line has quietly been trying to mend fences with &#8216;Rings&#8217; filmmaker Peter Jackson, who has sued the company over his share of profits from the first &#8216;Rings&#8217; films.  When asked if it was true that company insiders had been in talks with Jackson&#8217;s reps, Shaye replied, &#8220;Yes, that&#8217;s a fair statement.  Notwishstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in &#8216;The Hobbit.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">&#8220;Moving ahead with &#8216;The Hobbit&#8217; would tie in to another pivotal New Line issue:  In an era when Hollywood is deluged with equity money, will Shaye and Lynne make a run at buying back New Line from Time Warner?  Shaye&#8217;s reponse was worthy of a U. N. diplomat: &#8216;We have not expressed that point of view publicly.  And if we ever do, [Time Warner chiefs Dick Parsons and Jeff would be the first to know about it.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I don&#8217;t know why the <em>Hobbit<\/em> film is tied to that issue, but it presumably has something to do with the fact that investors would be falling over themselves to help finance such a project.  <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> may have strengthened New Line enough that it would be better off being once again a fully independent firm&#8211;as it was before being acquired by Turner Broadcasting System in 1993.  (TBS was in turn acquired by Time Warner in 1996.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">This announcement confirms that my most general speculation in past entries is correct:  New Line has been negotiating with Jackson.  Whether the proposition is for Jackson to produce and direct or simply to produce (&#8220;creatively involved in some way&#8221;) remains to be seen.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">[Added on August 10:<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">In response to the <em>LA Times<\/em> story, Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh have issued a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stuff.co.nz\/stuff\/dominionpost\/4160141a6000.html\" target=\"_blank\">statement<\/a>:  &#8220;Peter and Fran have always wanted to do <em>The Hobbit<\/em> but whether that happens is yet to be decided.&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Local hero: Peter Jackson portrayed in toast, Wellington Airport, July 2004 Kristin here\u2014 While the new &#8220;Frodo Franchise&#8221; website is under construction, I offer here a new set of speculations on the Hobbit project. 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